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Art Pricing Strategies 1

by Lori Woodward on 2/18/2010 12:52:13 PM

Today's Post is by Lori Woodward, Regular contributing writer for FineArtViews. She is also a contributing editor for American Artist's Watercolor and Workshop magazines and she writes "The Artist's Life" blog on American Artists' Forum. Lori is a member of The Putney Painters, an invitational group that paints under the direction of Richard Schmid and Nancy Guzik.  Find out how you can be a guest author. 



Pricing artwork is one of the most confusing issues surrounding running a business as an artist. Some artists ask, "Why can't I charge just as much as 'so and so' - my work is as good as his?"

The reasons why the pricing of art is so complex - basically boils down to the old supply and demand principle. In fact, when it comes to accurately pricing any work of art - demand for that piece largely defines the price range. In essence, the value of art has more to do with how collectors regard the worth of the piece, and in order for an artist get "the big bucks", that artist's work must be sought out by collectors who have the means and desire to pay for it.

So how does an artist get to the point where they can get enough for their work to actually make a decent living at it? I've observed that the artists I personally know who make a living, built their careers over the course of ten years or so... starting out with modest prices even though their work was as excellent as higher priced works by another artist. Over time they were able to raise those prices. At first, some of them had to paint more than 100 paintings a year in order to reap the kind of income they needed to cover all their operating costs (supplies, advertising, overhead), but now they can paint far fewer paintings to meet the same amount of income.

Start Reasonably and Go From There

Collectors expect that artists who are new on the scene should offer their works at reasonable prices. In fact, when emerging artists' works are set a below comparable works by established artists, it increases initial demand for that new artist's work. If an artist arrives on the scene with abnormally high prices, collectors will be reluctant to begin buying that artist's work - because if it's already expensive, it has little room to appreciate. While collectors rarely buy work for investment purposes, they're hopeful that their collection will increase in worth over time.

Several Factors Determine the Price of Artwork

The price of artwork is determined by more than one factor. In fact, Calvin J. Goodman, a consultant of more than 40 years in the field of advising artists and gallerists, sites 3 factors that determine the retail price of an artist's work.

1. Aesthetic and technical merits. 2. The cost of recovering costs of producing and marketing the artwork, 3. The artist's reputation and demand for the work.

What that means in plain language: 1. The artist knows what he or she is doing and uses the highest quality materials and framing. 2. The retail price of the work covers the cost of making the work - all the materials used, plus overhead, mailing materials, website, studio costs, etc.3.  Finally, and perhaps most importantly, demand for an artist's work in the marketplace determines the price an artwork can command among collectors.

The good news is that today, there are many more art selling venues, as well as, types and levels of collectors. It's much easier to get started selling your work right now. It may not be on the scale that you dream of; however, it's easy to step up to the plate. I started out locally with outdoor shows, and a couple of new galleries picked up my work from there. Back then, artists didn't sell their work from online venues. Now many artists are doing very well with "painting a day" venues as well as selling directly from their blogs and websites. Of course, when they don't have to pay the 50% gallery commission, their prices stay reasonable.

On the other hand, at this time in history, many intermediate and advanced collectors only shop at galleries, so getting into a good gallery can be an important step for an emerging artist. When that happens, the artist needs to price work in line with the other works in the gallery, but when just starting out - at a lower price than the seasoned artists at that same gallery - even if the quality is the same. This is because new artists build demand over time.

To sum things up, artists need to cover all their costs and make a profit - otherwise they are subsidizing the collector. Original artwork has never been for the masses and should not be priced too inexpensively. We artists are not manufacturing companies, we make one work at a time. On the other hand, it's wise not to start too high too soon, or else your work might just sit there. Each venue has its own pricing range, so figuring out how you should price your art to start out can be difficult. On the next post, I'll give examples and prices for a few venues that emerging artists are using successfully right now.





Related Posts:

Marketing Art

Ask Stape: Increasing Your Prices?

Do the Math (Part 1)

Price is a Shortcut

Pricing Your Art

Do the Math - Part 2

Realistic Pricing Practices


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Karen Winters
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This is certainly a tricky area for all of us, especially given the economic fluctuations and many alternative venues for selling. Thanks for a good summary article that highlights some of the considerations. I'm looking forward to part 2.
Karen Norris
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Thanks for the good info. Pricing art work is an area that most artists I know struggle with.
Judy Mudd
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Thanks, Lori. This is very helpful. I'm older and just getting started in developing a market plan. Pricing is the fundamental first step. I plan to approach a gallery or two this year, but want to get my ducks in a row before I do. However, I want to explore other areas for sales before I move toward a gallery. I look forward to your follow-up post on successful venues.
Thanks!
Edward J Payton
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Great read. This is the sort of thing I need to remind myself sometimes, remember to have patience and sales will come!
Tuva Stephens
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Thanks, Lori, for this post. When my paintings are selling, I just gradually increase a bit at a time because I live in rural West Tennessee. When I enter paintings in art shows I usually charge more because of the commission some organizations charge. If I am attached to the work and think it will do well in shows, I usually will increase the price also. I just paint as much as I can and try to challenge myself by learning from well known watercolor artists. So many small local galleries have gone out of business, but I just keep on painting!
Princess Rashid
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Thank you for this post!

"Over time they were able to raise those prices. At first, some of them had to paint more than 100 paintings a year.... but now they can paint far fewer paintings to meet the same amount of income".

I especially appreciate that statement. I have suspected that this was a necessary and viable course of action for an emerging artist to take in order to get to the next level.

That's probably why the paint-a-day phenom has been so successful for some. It increases the productivity and efficiency of the painter while at the same time educating the collector in regards to time, size, etc.. Even though some of these smaller painters may be masterpieces that might sale for less than a masterpiece price, I see it as an investment in cultivating the collector.
Fay Terry
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Lori, it is so helpful to hear from someone with your experience and expertise. Looking forward to more on the subject of pricing!
Charlotte Herczfeld
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Lori, great start to a really hot topic!

Waiting for next article, of course I zoom in on what would be a tangent: "...uses the highest quality materials and framing". Where I live, many paintings are showed unframed. Watercolours are matted, but no frame nor glass. Oils and acrylics are often of the gallery wrap type, unframed.

My medium needs protective framing (soft pastels), so while my materials for artwork are superior (imported by me), I've chosen to frame simply, fully expecting people to re-frame. At this point, with this economy, I can't frame as I want to and get the cost back. I frame neatly, with glass, mat, and thin frame, or glass and mat. Is this plain dumb? Would high-class frames and no profit be a better option in the *long run*?


Lori Woodward
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Thanks everyone for commenting. It's always nice for me when I realize that I have contributed to helping artists manage their careers.

At this very moment, I'm working on part 2.. which will give a few common formulas for getting started at pricing ones work. It'll be posted here sometime next week.

FYI -- Last weekend, I attended an art event in Tucson and met several artists in person - after having formerly known them online. The funny thing is that they all pictured me as much taller. I'm only 5'2". The Internet and Fine Art Views has made our world a smaller place - because we can meet here on a regular basis.

Lori Woodward
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Charlotte,
I think you're doing the right thing for your location. Pricing is difficult because there's so many variables in how and where art is sold.

If you're selling well with the frames you're using, then stay with it. Spending more money is not always the right answer.

However, when artists begin working with galleries who sell higher priced work, it's expected that the work will be framed attractively. Collectors expect it.

On the other hand, painting-a-day artists are expected to sell work unframed. Pastels are a special case, as you say.

OK folks, I'm not ignoring you but have to go offline for several hours. Don't hesitate to let me know what your questions are. I won't be able to respond to them all, but it gives me an idea of what artists want and need to know.
Lori
Karen Winters
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Lori,
My experience has been that intermediate and advanced collectors, also feeling the pinch of the economy, will buy from quality juried shows as well as galleries. I have several collectors who bought my work in juried professional shows and went on to commission more work, and will likely commission more in the future.
Sharon Weaver
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The three determining factors seem obvious but obvious is good when it comes to the personal job of pricing your own work. Regarding selling: sometimes too many options can be paralyzing so looking forward to your next article.
Joanne Bernardini
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Pricing is such an important part of the whole art process. Since artists are not generally good business people, they find it difficult to assign a price to their work. Your suggestion that emerging artists price their work lower than established artists is a good one. Artists must allow themselves the opportunity to grow into their reputation. Pricing themselves just under the other artists will garner more attention to their work and ultimately more sale!
Joanne Bernardini
Leslie Saeta
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Lori,
Thanks for a great article. Pricing is certainly a tough issue that all artists face. The tough part is to get it right, because the last things an artist wants to do is "lower prices".
I think for artists hoping to find galleries it s imperative that you sell your art for the same price a gallery will sell it for. All that means is that you will offer "wholesale" prices to galleries and not those same prices to the general public. I believe that every painting I sell has about a 45 percent marketing cost built in to the price. If I sell the painting directly then I keep the 40 percent. If a gallery sells it then they earn the commission, which only makes sense!
Diane Tasselmyer
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Lori,
I remember at one outdoor show my work was priced lower than the other well established artists. Many many sold nothing, but I sold eight pieces. I wanted to start being known by people in that area and was busy all day with people. And these people return to this place every year. I felt I had accomplished what I had set out to do. And, there were other connections made that day in other states. My pricing was spot on that day for what I went there to.
Ruth Ochia
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Lori,
Another great article that is of particular interest to me. I just put to pieces into a local show and struggled on the pricing after my issue with pricing on that other piece. I set the prices lower in an effort to possibly sell something. My pieces were on the lower mid range of those at the show, where all of the pieces were less than 16" per side including frame.
I look forward to your future posts.
Anne Watson
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Hey Lori, this is ALWAYS a good topic. In regards to your next article, I often wonder about pricing by size alone (factoring in each artist's individual price range). Is this as standard a practice as I think it is? If I do a piece I'm particularly happy with, or that took me more time than usual, I'm tempted to charge more, but I've heard that's not a good idea. Any thoughts anyone?
bonnie teitelbaum
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This is excellent advice. Everything is right on.
Start with lower prices and sell the work. When I am producing and selling a high capacity (demand greater)my prices will rise. One of the biggest mistakes is starting out too high. If you have to lower the prices later you look like a bad investment to those who have purchased.
Jean Corbett
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Wonderful article - a constant struggle for beginning artists. I liked your comment about 100 paintings - and remembered Zoltan Szabo's comment that "a beginning artist should throw away the first 100 paintings"! Perserverance is the key in painting and becoming known. I appreciate this site for allowing us entrance into the art world of professionals while striving to attain that level of competence.
Carol Schmauder
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Thank you for your article. Pricing has been an interesting issue for me as well. Your three factors for determining the price of one's art work are right on as far as I am concerned and I appreciate you having included them in your article. I have not been active in the art business consistently over the years but have a small following for my work and prices have increased some with increased demand, higher cost of framing, etc. I am looking forward to part 2 as well.
Lorraine Khachatourians
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Oh this question of pricing. It is always a challenge, particularly when you add in, particularly, framing. I simply can't bring myself to put works out without frames - with one exception, tiny 4 x 4 gallery wrapped canvases. I paint with watercolours and oils. In one of the groups I paint with, most of the people paint in acrylics and don't frame their pieces, so there is a difference in pricing. We do price similarly for size of the work, but adding the frame adds to the price. It is an interesting dilemma.
Esther J. Williams
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Pricing art is like fishing to me, if the bait (art) isn`t enticing enough, I changed the bait offering a variety or better quality that tasted good to the fishes (customer). Introducing smaller works at a low introductory prices got me started. I was not making a killing, but art sold and I continued to paint more little gems. The art kept improving and people liked it enough to nibble more. When that resulted in consistent monthly sales I felt a comfort level. I expanded a little in size. Recently a larger piece of my art sold and it was priced a little bit higher, so I had to go to my website and make a slight price increase. My works are still priced to sell at a lower mark based on my thorough examination of what other artists ask in my circle of art associations. I went to shows and wrote down artists names, the size of their piece and the price. Using common sense I try to balance where I fit in this arena of emerging and established artists and I am still trying to figure that out. A fellow established artist told me the other day, when they snap it up too fast, raise the price. It sounds like fun, but I am staying reasonable for the time being.
Like you said Lori and I agree, do not price too high or you can not come back down. Just keep them nibbling.
stede
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What a challenging topic to untangle! I live in an art "hot spot," Santa Fe, and am doing 2 shows there on weekends, one an outdoor, long-established show, the other a newer indoor venue. Prints sell very well, but original paintings far more slowly. The good news is that many people understand the pricing they would see in a gallery.

I am interested in partnering with a gallery, and in selling my work, and find myself with a wide range of possible prices...too low, and I believe this will hurt potential gallery representation...too high (for this economy and an outdoor venue) and I may not be reaching potential clients who come to the venues I'm showing in. I have read and studied and am looking forward to Part 2! Still looking for that magic pricing point...
Leslie Saeta
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Lorraine,
I agree with you about being reluctant to sell paintings unframed. I have spent many hours trying to figure this out and I finally found a solution. I found www.kingofframe.com and I buy $30 amazing frames for all of my paintings. It has made a huge difference and doesn't affect my retail price much at all!
Diane Tasselmyer
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Leslie,
Thanks for the frame info. and your results with it. That is what people want to know....how they affect your pricing.
Carole Rodrigue
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Great article Lori and I'm looking forward to the next.

I can agree from experience that good, quality framing can do much to sell work. But it's the pricing that's always a tough issue for artists, myself included.

I sold a piece at a show and paid over $300 for the frame, which I'm positive helped sell the painting. By the time the show took their portion and I re-couped the framing costs, I was left with much less than what I was asking online. The problem is to find that fine line in charging more in a show or gallery when paying for quality materials, making it worth your while, and at the same time remain attractive to collectors.

I guess what I'm asking is, just how much can you raise your price for a piece if for example the online price is $900 unframed. Add a frame for $300, and the gallery takes their 30 percent, and there isn't much left. What if you raise your price to maybe $1250 for a show, but a collector saw the lower price online?
Joanne Benson
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Hi Lori, Thanks for the sensible and sage advice....always a tricky issue....and one most of us struggle with.
Esther J. Williams
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I have known Randy Higbee, owner of King of Frames for several years now and enjoy doing business with him and Teri Disili who handles sales. My art buyers love his frames, he has a huge warehouse and gallery.
Here`s his intro on Facebook:
I have been in the wholesale art and picture framing business for over 35 years.
I support many of the outdoor shows and I am on the Board of Directors of the California Art Club and Laguna Plein Air Painters Assoc. To know me is to love me. Ha ha.
Go to www.kingofframe.com or www.randyhigbeegallery.com or
call 1-800-506-7624
Carole Rodrigue
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Esther, thank you for the info. I'm in Canada, but I will definitely go have a look. Framing here is just so expensive. I don't know what it's like down there to have something professionally framed.
Esther J. Williams
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Carole, Lori recommends keeping your website prices the same as gallery prices. I have to be careful when pricing works online and then entering them into a show. I check my website first before I send out the piece just to make sure they are equal. Lori also mentioned you double the cost of the frame and add that to the art price. There was a blog for that a month or so ago. I was not doubling my frame price until recently, we have to do that because of the commission we pay and the need to go out an buy more frames for the next painting we produce. There are so many costs we have for overhead like show entry fees, shipping the art, gas to deliver art, materials to paint with. Trying to break even can seem daunting. I have had a husband to rely on for years luckily, but now I use an accounting software and am taking more aim at making a profit.
Oh, Randy Higbee has a great custom framing department that I have used and the prices are very fair.
Lorraine Khachatourians
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Leslie, thank you very much for that information. I looked at the site and the frames are excellent and very well priced. I will have to see if they ship to Canada, where I am. Definitely something to look into, as at the prices listed, even with shipping and duty, the cost is much less than anything I can find here, for this type of framing. Thanks again. I love this blog!
Carole Rodrigue
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I had a look and he's definitely got some amazing prices, even with the exchange on the dollar and duties. I think Randy and I can become friends . . . ;-)
Casey Craig
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I'm going to add my 2 cents to Anne's question about pricing by size.

I am one of those artists that prices by size. I work on gallery wrap canvas, so framing is not an issue for me. I think pricing by size shows a level of professionalism and consistency. We all have favorite paintings, but I don't think same sized works (in the same medium) should be priced differently just because you worked harder on them. Some paintings seem to paint themselves and others require more work. I don't want my patrons to have to pay for me taking extra time to insure that I'm pleased with the final piece. Nor do I think I should lower the price if a painting just seemed to fall into place very quickly. Putting the pricing emphasis on the size rather than the time spent allows me to just focus on doing the best work that I can. Frequently I learn something with paintings that I struggle with and that is worth more to me than asking a higher price.

You can price by the size by determining the price of a work sold and establishing that as a baseline. You can use a square inch formula or just ballpark it up or down for different sizes. (I remember another post on this site about this very issue.)

I think framing should be calculated separately and you can quote different prices for unframed vs framed.

Works in galleries should be the same price as those you sell from your studio. If you sell directly you get the commission which helps offset so many of our overhead costs. I post my prices on my website to keep everyone honest. If you are working with galleries it is very important to keep prices consistent. A patron shouldn't see cheaper prices on your website than at your gallery.

Thanks Lori, great topic!
Donald Smith
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Lori,
Thank you for giving your valuable insight into pricing art for an emerging artist. Pricing is something I’m struggling with. One artist says “Raise your prices until it sells,” another says, “Lower your prices to increase sells.” I’ve been struggling to get out of my “emerging artist” cocoon for several years. I’ve not had any price increases, and I’ve only sold a few pieces of art. I get a lot of compliments, mostly from family and friends, but being friends, I think they may be a little biased:-).

I’m currently asking a flat $1.00 / square inch, with a few exceptions, like expensive frames, or having matts cut by a pro. Then I add those prices to my basic fee.

Can you or anyone else, give any insight to other beginning / emerging artists pricing techniques?

I’m looking forward to your next article.

Thanks!
Donald
Rhonda Gauthier
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Pricing my paintings continues to cause a great deal of internal arguments. Too high of a price could equal no sales but too low of a price and clients could think there is no "value" to our talent and hard work. I waited many years before beginning to market my paintings (feeling they were not "professional enough"...another story) so I feel that the many years I have painted should justify a higher price than the usual "entry level" price.

So now here is part two of my internal conflict. Having sold paintings for the prices I obtained, then the market went down and now sales are extremely slow. However, my thought is it would not be fair to the previous purchasers to lower the price of the existing [aintings. That presents a new twist on "pricing the paintings". As others have suggested; creating smaller paintings is one way to seemingly have "lower prices".

I continue to have visitors to my web site but it ends there.
Sue Smith
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Pricing is one of those major stumbling blocks without a right answer. I've often wondered whether it was in my best interests to show in a gallery that also hosts artists who price their work so low they aren't even recovering the cost of materials. How beneficial is it to try to build your career and name recognition in a venue that may only be interested in things on the wall at the lowest price possible?
Michael Cardosa
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Hi Lori,

Thanks again for a very good and helpful article.

I have one question about how you handle pricing now at your level. Do you price a painting at what you think it would sell for in a gallery (even though I know you don't sell through them right now) leaving room for commissions should you elect to go that way or do you price them to only sell directly?

Just curious.

Thanks,

Michael

Michael Cardosa
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Hi Sue,

I think your point is a very good one. Personally, while I'm not in any galleries, I would not adjust prices too far down to accommodate a venue that I would see as questionable. I'd rather not show them. But that's just me.
Charlotte Herczfeld
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Lori, thank you so much for your reply!

Casey, Agree with you on pricing same size and medium with same price. If priced different, people wonder what's wrong with the cheaper one (the one that painted itself, and turned out better... :-) It is really easy for people to see the sense of same size/same price. Then they choose between paintings, and not between prices.

General discussion: I've just recently realized that even prices are good, and computed a nice little formula for pricing, inspired by the aforementioned post. The funny thing was that the formula gave me an average of the prices I'd just made up, for each size. Formula is: (square cm x $) x percent. Plus framing. The added percentage is higher for small sizes, and lower for larger sizes. The idea is that the amount of work I do on a larger painting is surprisingly near what I do on a smaller painting, as time spent is rather similar.

Otherwise, I've followed the advice of not raising prices until I sell most of what is produced. Instead of lowering already low prices, I offer more small works and sketches at my DIY exhibitions. This works where I am, but the market may be different where you are.
Charlotte Herczfeld
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Now I'd've loved that edit button...

The formula should be:
square cm times a sum. The result gets x percent added to it, and also the cost of framing.
Michael Cardosa
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Just one more comment here (ok, so maybe I'm lying and I'll write another later) I think artists as business people are no different than a lot of other small businesses. We all have our comfort zone to sell in. When the market tanks we panic and start dropping pricing to stave off disaster. What we should really think of doing is finding other markets to sell into. I'll just mention that Wall Street just had a record year for bonuses. That tells me that there are still some folks around with disposable income to be collectors. Our thoughts as artists shouldn't be I don't know how to sell to people who still have money to spend but how would I reach those people that I'm not reaching now.
Joanne Benson
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Hi all,

I have struggled with the issue of lowering prices and decided to hold the line as it isn't fair to my collectors. However, since I don't always price based on size it gives me a little more latitude with how I price newer works.

My commission work has steadily gone up over the years but I am still VERY reasonable compared to more well known artists. For non commission work I generally price pieces that I think are more exceptional at a higher rate....and I have sold some at that rate....I haven't changed my prices for galleries....but don't do much in galleries anyway....mostly through arts organizations and word of mouth....

Pricing is always dicey and I like the idea of producing smaller works instead of decreasing prices or offering incentives with a painting purchase...ie. a free print or notecards or a discount to those who have purchased from me in the past......

My current issue is not having enought space to store my inventory....so I need to consider a studio sale at some point in the near future....

I have pretty much stopped framing new work until I absolutely need a piece for a show or something....

How do all of you handle the inventory overflow issue?
Carol Schmauder
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Joanne, My husband and I were just discussing the framing of new pieces as I, too, have a problem with a place to store my paintings. My problem is that I show in a gallery and need to bring in new work on a regular basis. Glenn, my husband, suggested I take older paintings out of the frames and put new ones in. The only problem with that is that I select the frames to compliment the work that is framed in them. Also, there is the issue of one person shows where a large body of work is needed. I have one coming up in April. I guess we will always face these kind of issues.
Lori Woodward
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I'm in the process of reading over comments here this morning... a lot of good discussion and questions which I'd like to address in upcoming posts.

The post I wrote this morning talks about calculating all of our business expenses - and doubling those figures so that when we sell at a 50 percent sales commission, we get all of that money back. It includes much more than the frame.

I advise not to buy your frames from a high-priced retail framing store because we need to buy our frames and supplies at nearly wholesale prices. When we pay retail for our supplies and then double them, it inflates our prices.

If you sell on your own and not through galleries, you can pay yourself a lower sales commission. Keep in mind that when we artists make the sale, we get the commission. Don't subsidize the consumer by charging wholesale prices. Of course, if you sell directly and through galleries, your retail prices need to be exactly the same.

I'm selling my work from a BandB right now and I offer the BandB owners a 20 percent sales commission. If I sell directly from my site, I add that commission to my work - since I am the sales person. Someone always needs to get the sales commission... whether it be you, the artist, or the gallery.

Finally, I do use a price per square inch formula to calculate my prices, but I charge an extra dollar per square inch for smaller works and a dollar less for larger works.

Occasionally, I charge a little more on my very best paintings - maybe one or two a year. Those paintings I know I could sell 100 times over.

LoL, I thought I was finished with next weeks FAVs post this morning, but now I see that there's a few more things I can add. Part 3 will have examples of pricing by the square inch for newbies.

Remember that some sales venues cannot handle the higher price range that some galleries do. So that once you enter the gallery way of selling, it's unlikely that you'll sell as well at outdoor shows and on your own at the higher prices. Transitioning from self-sales to gallery sales is worth a whole new blog post.
Esther J. Williams
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You know how artists are extremely right brained, (the creative side) and the left brain is the logical, mathematical side. I think that is why we have difficulty estimating prices for our art. I thought I`d take a look at my Microsoft Money account (I have an older 2005 version) and low and behold I can do reports and analysis on my overhead costs in my business. I have an Inventory Valuation section that I didn`t know about. I can do customized reports for specific categories. I have been entering data into this software for years to do a profit and loss statement for my taxes each year. I looked at my profit margin after costs for last year and I made a small profit (not saying amount in case the IRS is listening). So, I am thinking we, as artists can be helped greatly by keeping track of all our costs and time to help us price our art to make a living. Afterall, artists are in business to make a profit, we need to make ourselves aware that we are a business and businesses need to make money to survive. I am going to record all my paintings into this inventory data and start to keep track of my hours spent on each piece. People work for ABC company for X amount of dollars per hour or a salary. We need to place a value on our work just like the professionals we pay money to for their services. Although I do charge by the square inch, it doesn`t help to create small 6x8 canvases that you spend 6 hours on and sell it for $100. So, in keeping track of hours spent, I might want to speed up a bit, not overwork a piece to keep my hourly wage higher.
What I am getting too, is keeping a database like Microsoft Money or Quicken, etc... can also benefit us to analyze our bottom line and to see where we need to make personal/business adjustments. There are tons of software programs that would enable us to keep track records. It would be great if I can customize a pricing report for each piece, I am going to see if I can figure it out in my software.
Or Clint, you can design a new software program to help us artists. Unfortunately, the one thing it can not do is see the quality of our work and tell us if it`s trash or treasure and we are out of our minds trying to ask $2,000 for a mini butterfly painting that we spent 2 months on putting every dot in place.
linda wilder
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Recently, I have stopped framing my work and now only paint on gallery wrap canvas, and this is why: 1) I found it hard to price my work because most of my frames were different prices so my prices were inconsistant. 2) transporting paintings with frames was time consuming and heavy. 3) Many of my frames ended up damaged 4)Many of my clients didn't like the frame and would rather they picked their own.5) lately I've noticed a lot of customer don't like frames at all and there seems to be a trend to hanging unframed work.6) it really does make my life a lot easier.
I realize though, that a lot of work has to be framed.

It's a great subject and I love reading all the responses and I'm looking forward to part 2. Thanks Lori
Lori Woodward
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To Anne Watson,

Calvin Goodman believes that artists should charge a bit more for their exceptional pieces, but when I was starting out, I didn't charge more for some work because I found that sometimes collectors liked my paintings that I didn't care for, and some that I loved didn't get the attention I thought they would. I'm a much better judge of my work now.

Artwork is rarely if ever priced by how many hours you put into it. Master artists spend way less time on paintings than they did when first starting out, and their prices are 10 times higher than they were back then.

Price is more connected to the artists' reputation with the collecting community than any other factor. Over time, as collectors become aware of your work - in whatever venue to pursue, your prices can climb. Any time I have a good selling year, I raise my prices by 10 percent.

Tuva Stephens
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I keep my frame expense down on my watercolor paintings by using only thin, gold, silver, or black frame so the artwork speaks for itself. I use glass unless a piece is accepted in a show that requires plexiglas which by the way is getting more expensive. I have seen the American Watercolor Society Exhibitions many times and have made note that all the frames are as I stated above. I have found I remember the work not the frames. As I am being accepted into more national shows, I notice they are stating how simply they want the frame to be.

I once asked Judi Betts how she could mat and frame all the work that she did. She told me she only had about a dozen frames in which she changed out her work for shows. That might help some that have a large inventory of artwork. I always buy sectional frames and mats half price. I only use white/off white mats as required by watercolor exhibitions.Like many artists, I have a professional type mat cutter. I was taught matting and framing tricks from a professional framer.

I have a set price for half sheets and full sheets concerning pricing watercolor paintings. *You must value your work but be reasonable. I may have some paintings that I value more and that I will try to get more for those.

Lori Woodward
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Tuva, I also bought a Logan professional mat cutter years ago. It saved me a lot of money. I framed the same way you did - especially for watercolor shows and competitions. Today, I varnish my watercolors and frame them like oils - which disqualifies my work for most watermedia competitions.

However, I'm not seeing how those competitions (where I have to ship the painting) make income unless I receive an award. Have you sold paintings at watercolor shows recently?

I'll log on later... going for a walk now that my work's done for the day ;-)
Tuva Stephens
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Lori,
Although many of my competitions are across the state, I usually try to hand-deliver paintings accepted or have a representative take my work to the shows. I have sold work and won awards at the shows which has been in the past 6 months at shows!

I so agree with you Lori about, "Price is more connected to the artists' reputation with the collecting community than any other factor." Recently at our co-op gallery if someone is interested in work there, it may take a little time but they do return to purchase paintings in which they like. I am getting ready, Feb. 27th to present my NEW WORKS at a gallery reception. I have sent out postcards featuring one of my works. It will be interesting to see how that goes. Many of the pieces are competition type pieces, but I will have smaller matted unframed work and notecards of my work. Tuva



Joanne Benson
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Carol,
Most of my paintings are watercolor or pastel and are under glass. Many are in wood frames with dust jackets....I'm sure I don't have to tell you waht a pain to reframe they would be.

I have a number in the metal frames as well and they are easier to pop in and out of frames and I just did that recently because I needed a certain color frame.

However, the thought of reframing constantly makes me cringe.... I have a pretty successful friend that always uses the same gold/wood frames for everything. They are almost like a trademark frame.....that would make life easier.....I'm like you and I frame based on the painting.....

Never an easy answer...my husband's answer is to give it all away or sell it REALLY CHEAP.....he's tired of my paintings all over the house.....his theory is if I sell the stuff really cheap then those who bought it will want my work to increase in value ...... however, I can see that backfiring....I see them always waiting for the big studio sale......kind of like me never paying full price for clothing...you know eventually there will be clearance sales.....and I can always manage to find something appealing.....
Debra Russell
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When I began selling about 6 years ago, I painted 9x12's and under just so I could price fairly and get my name out there. For art fairs, I would paint miniatures, enabling me to sell alot of paintings at a single event! I looked at this as an advertising cost....This helped create a collector base for future shows.

It was at one of those out door fairs that 2 seperate galleries approached me to represent my work. When I started selling larger works with the galleries, they were instrumental in helping me with pricing of my work.It was also suggested I should increase my prices by 5-10 percent a year for the next few years until I reached a level both the gallery and I were comfortable with.

I also utilized the internet and looked up artists whose work was comparable to mine. If you choose to do it this way, you need to be brutally honest with yourself and be prepared to price your work lower than your artist friend who may be a better painter than you! But this is a great way to get a range of what the different sizes are going for and put yours somewhere in the middle.
The hard part for me right now is since sales slowed down last year, do I keep prices the same and keep painting larger more expensive paintings. Or do I return to smaller pieces that I know will sell and hope sales come back to where they used to be?
mary
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Well, well, doesn't this open a stinky can of worms. To me there are so many factors that determine how you should price your work. I have heard many theories over my 36 years of painting.Lots of things change, for instance, we had a gallery in our town where the owner worked hard and was successful at marketing several of my works at a certain price. After a few years she closed and now I wonder if I am going to be forced to lower my prices to sell. I hate to do that but sales have been pretty bad lately. Also you have the variable of gallery prices being comparable with home prices.
Carol Schmauder
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Joanne, I hear you and I feel your pain!!!
Lori Woodward
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I'm having a lot of fun looking at these comments and really enjoy it when conversations begin between comments... that's how I learned the ropes early on in my art career - by chatting with artists who were more experienced that I was.

I wish I had time to answer all the questions that are directed to me here, but honestly, I'd have to be online for a very long time ;-)

So, I am continuing to read every comment and will write things down in my notebook so that I can address as many as possible in future posts.

Thanks everyone for your contributions and for sharing info with each other and me.
Michael Cardosa
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Thanks again Lori, I just want to say once more that your posts are always informative and I know I appreciate the effort you put into them.

Michael
Sue Martin
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Lori, thank you for articulating those principles of pricing. I have some questions that you might be able to address in future columns. If one gallery (a co-op) that shows your work charges a 15 percent commission, and another gallery charges a 40 percent commission, is it appropriate to raise your prices in the second gallery? I've noticed that here in Utah, prices seem to be lower than elsewhere in the country, so is it appropriate to adjust your prices (up) if you sell in galleries elsewhere? And what about online...should I stick with my Utah prices or raise them to what I perceive is a "national" level? (if you've already answered these in previous posts to this conversation, I apologize....I'll go back and read the thread)
Esther J. Williams
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Debra Russell, you sound like you are making the right decisions with checking other artists prices within your league and above. I also have tamed my ego by this method, in the beginning I priced my works so high that people laughed at them 10 years ago. I should`ve recognized the smirks back then, but in my head, I was way up there with the greats. Since my bubble was popped, I came down in price and art sold.
On your question about painting larger pieces, go for it! I am about to myself again, I stopped for over a year and painted smaller, but I had a museum director tell me that the market is getting saturated with too many small works. Art collectors prefer large pieces he said. He also said to take your smaller studies and paint a large studio piece from it. That way it doesn`t look like you are painting from photographs. For the past few years, I have been painting so many small workstudies that I have a sizable stack in my studio. I just need a kick in the pants to pick one and expand it to 24x48. So, go for it girl! I saw your work and it is gorgeous! I hope your shoulder heals fast, you need strength to paint big.
Debra Russell
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Thanks Esther. Truthfully, the thought of painting a bunch more smaller pieces gives me the shakes! I have a stack of plein air pieces that I'm going to take your advice and use them to produce larger studio pieces. Thanks for the encouragement. It's nice to have this community to garner new ideas from!
Teddy Jackson
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Lori:
Thanks for another terrific article. I will be looking forward to more articles on pricing.

I began by painting in three standand sizes - 11x14, 16x20, and 18x24. I observed pricing by other artists that I felt had compariable skill levels. I established a price range by size. As a piece won awards or was selected for juried shows, I began to increase the price for that specific artwork.
I, also, try to have a wide range of pricing. Sort of the something for everyone approach.
Some from our discussion groups have said my prices are too low; but, they are reasonable for this particular market.
Thanks again,
Teddy

Lori Woodward
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This is directed to Sue Martin who asked how to price if her galleries take different commissions.

It's best to set your retail prices and stick to them no matter how much your gallery takes or where you sell.

Price for the 40 percent commission, and sell at the same price for the gallery that takes 15 percent. You get to make more from the galleries that take lower commissions.

If you need to keep your prices lower for your local galleries, they'll probably have to be lower elsewhere. The only exception: if you get into a national show, you can raise prices a bit in order to look serious there.

Also, if you start selling on a national level or in an important gallery district, your prices will need to be in line with the gallery your selling from there. You'll have to keep your prices the same in local galleries.

If you stop selling locally because you're selling well nationally, then at that point you can drop the local galleries.
Sue Martin
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Lori, thanks so much for taking the time to respond to my specific questions. I really appreciate your advice...it makes good sense! Also, I enjoyed your recent article in Watercolor Magazine! Keep up the great work!
Lori Woodward
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Sue, I haven't gotten my copy of Watercolor yet - I'm anxious to see how the photos turned out. What do you think?

It'll probably be in my PO box tomorrow... I hope!!









 
 

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